A reader has kindly alerted me to the “family planning” line item in the proposed New Hampshire budget, due for a vote in the House tomorrow, April 5.
A bit of background: some of the family planning contractors in our state are abortion providers, who come to the Executive Council threatening denial of services to patients if the Council doesn’t hand over the money. Those providers keep saying that family planning money – specifically Title X money, awarded to states by the federal government – can’t be used for abortions. The same providers then press members of Congress to repeal the Hyde Amendment, which is all that stands between Title X and abortion.
But anyway, back to family planning, now that we know where abortion providers fit in.
Into the Weeds: Page 1191
Here’s a picture of page 1191 from the report prepared by the Office of Legislative Budget Assistant, comparing New Hampshire budget family planning allocations from fiscal years 2016 through 2019. This looks at past spending, plus projections for the next biennium. The “Governor” column reflects the budget request made by Governor Sununu. “H Finance” means House Finance Committee, and it’s the Finance Committee’s proposal that’s getting a House vote this week.
Numbers Get Larger
Look at the “contracts for program services” line. The numbers grow from about a million bucks in FY 2016 to a projected $1.5 million in FY 2019, or to $1.8 million if the House Finance Committee’s request goes through. That’s quite an increase.
The general fund line near the bottom indicates how much money comes directly from state coffers. Again, there’s a projected increase.
Right above that is the gold mine: federal funds. These are grants, including but not limited to Title X, that flow from Washington to Concord for use in specific programs. (And they are tax dollars, just like the money from the state general fund.) In FY 2016, federal family planning money for New Hampshire came to around $700,000. For FY 2019, the governor expects $1.1 million while House Finance expects $1.4 million.
How many other New Hampshire health and human services needs are getting that kind of boost in this budget?
I’ve emailed the federal HHS department in the hope that someone there can show me data to support those projected federal numbers for FYs 2018 and 2019. The reader who suggested I take a look at the family planning budget tried that already and got an unsatisfactory answer. I’m not going to bet on getting an answer before the state budget is passed and signed.
At any rate, we’re getting a preview of Executive Council meetings yet to come. Whatever amount is approved for family planning in the next biennium, the “contracts for program services” will go through the Council. The usual contractors, including abortion providers, will be there for a piece of the ever-growing pie.
Vice-President Pence broke a tie in the U.S. Senate yesterday. What passed, thanks to him and 50 Senators, was effectively a repeal of an Obama policy penalizing states that refuse to do business with abortion providers. H.J. Res. 43 is the name of the repeal resolution.
Senators Shaheen and Hassan of New Hampshire were perfectly happy with the Obama policy and they voted against the repeal.
The former president signed his policy on his way out the door, almost literally: it went into effect two days before he left office. Marjorie Dannenfelser of the Susan B. Anthony list has called it his parting gift to Planned Parenthood. Last month the House, led by Rep. Diane Black, voted to repeal Obama’s policy. The Senate effort was led by Sen. Joni Ernst.
I hope that by the time you read this, President Trump’s approval will have made repeal a done deal.
What repeal does NOT do: change the amount of any appropriation for family planning under Title X. Repeat: zero effect on the amount of money the federal government allocates to states for family planning programs (which, to hear some folks talk, is all there is to women’s health).
What repeal WILL do: allow states to decide for themselves, without any federal penalty, whether to grant Title X family planning contracts to agencies that perform abortions.
Planned Parenthood hates the repeal resolution. Their respect for women apparently ends when a woman decides to resist the abortion providers reaching into her wallet.
I’m one such woman. I know that abortion isn’t health care. And I’m not alone.
“…are we sure the Executive Council is going to be the decision making body about who gets the NH contract? Didn’t Planned Parenthood orchestrate a by-pass on the NH Executive Council vote against their NH contract during the construction of the previous NH budget?”
No, we’re not sure. And yes, PPNNE did an end run around a state family planning contract rejection in 2011 by somehow procuring funds directly from the federal government. Regarding that nimble move, the New Hampshire Commissioner of Health and Human Services remarked in 2013, “It’s not appropriate for me to know what they did.”
All we know about the current situation is that the New Hampshire Executive Council has no PP item on its agenda for next Wednesday’s meeting, and that the last PP contract approved by the Council was set to expire eighteen days ago. (What’s more, PPNNE isn’t complaining that “women are being denied health care.”) Late items may be added to the agenda, as the Council’s agenda page indicates. Anything about a future contract or grant is speculative at this point. But if we can’t see into the future, we can certainly look at the past.
Planned Parenthood affiliates nationwide are feeling the heat from the video of a PP medical director chatting about procurement of intact fetal organs. PP’s public funding is under a spotlight, for now. Public dollars are not used for abortion, we’re told. Instead, tax money for “family planning” frees up other PP resources to use for abortions, and the harvesting of fetal organs, and salaries of medical personnel willing to consider changing an abortion method not for the health of the woman but for the better extraction of a child’s organs.
But a state contract or federal grant to PP doesn’t mean I’m paying for abortion itself – just so we’re clear on that. Whew.
As long as we’re seeking clarity, note this: New Hampshire Right to Life has been fighting for years to get information about how a federal grant materialized for PPNNE after three out of five Executive Councilors said “no” to PP’s Title X contract in 2011. (The Council the same day approved contracts with ten other providers, putting a crimp in attempts to cast Councilors as anti-woman.) In April of this year, NHRTL filed a petition with the U.S. Supreme Court seeking review of a lower court decision that turned away in part an NHRTL Freedom of Information Act request about the federal grant. Bits and pieces of information have emerged, but the whole clear story of how the dollars got from the feds to PP is still not on the public record.
This doesn’t mean that history will repeat itself this month. It only means the precedent has been set.
This is as good a time as any to recall the time four years ago just after the Executive Council vote, when Planned Parenthood put enormous public pressure on the three Councilors who had denied them a contract. At that time, I was with New Hampshire’s Cornerstone Policy Research. We teamed up with the Susan B. Anthony List for a press conference to defend the Councilors. That was the day I met Catherine Adair, who spoke to the crowd about her experience as a PP employee. Here’s a reminder that the need to let taxpayers divest their funds from PP didn’t just spring up this week.
Dave Wheeler is running for New Hampshire’s Executive Council in district 5, a seat he has held before. He has a primary opponent whom I haven’t met and about whom I know little. I’m not writing today to make comparisons. This is about Dave.
I’ve known him for many years, going back to the days when he was a state rep from Milford. I could tell you about how he helped me long ago when I had to learn in a hurry how to deal with a state agency. I could tell you how when you elect him, you get his wife Joy as a bonus – just as tart and blunt and dedicated to the community as her husband. I could recommend that you check out the Wheelers’ Miracle Acres Farm for your next Christmas tree.
Another time, maybe, but not now. I want to make sure you remember one thing in particular that he did last time the voters of district 5 sent him to Concord: he stood up to Planned Parenthood. With two of his colleagues, he denied PP a Title X family-planning contract in 2011. (Ten other Title X contracts were approved that day, all with contractors who didn’t double as abortion providers.) It wasn’t Dave Wheeler’s first pro-life vote, but it was a particularly emphatic one. As a result, PP made a priority of hammering him in the 2012 election. He lost the seat, 52.5%-47.5%.
With his vote on the PP contract, Dave was doing what he was elected to do: read the fine print, ask questions, look hard at private agencies that rely on an uninterrupted flow of taxpayer dollars. It’s sad that the councilors elected in 2012 went back to business with New Hampshire’s premier abortion provider when the next round of Title X contracts came up in 2013.
The photo in this post is from 2011, taken at an event related to my day job. Dave is the tall gentleman towards the right. At the event, it was my privilege to present an award to the councilors who rejected that PP contract. Two of them have since retired. Only Dave Wheeler is left in the arena. Here’s an excerpt from what I said that evening as I made the presentation. Those councilors set a high bar for their successors. Think about this when you look at candidates for the Executive Council.
One morning in June 2011, I was in the Senate gallery awaiting a vote on the parental notification bill when someone quietly advised me that the Executive Council, by a vote of 3-2, had just rejected a $1.2 million contract with Planned Parenthood of Northern New England. This was a shock to me, because I knew this had always been a routine Title Ten contract. Regrettably, the state has done business with PP for years.
With an annual budget of $18 million, PPNNE is New Hampshire’s principal abortion provider. When asked at a public hearing [in 2011] if they’d forgo providing abortion services as a condition to receive public funding, their answer was an emphatic “no.” Despite claims by PP that government funding is vital to providing certain essential services, according to their own 2009 annual report PPNNE spends over $3 million on administration and general costs, $597,000 on marketing and $714,000 on public policy which includes lobbyists. After the council vote, PP went so far as to launch a publicity campaign attacking the three councilors who voted down the contract. Pink t-shirts and lawn signs appeared, saying “I Stand With PP,” paid for by PP.
Planned Parenthood chose not to divert one penny from administration, marketing or public policy to compensate for the loss of taxpayer funds. When it came down to a choice between providing health care and distributing pink lawn signs, they went with the lawn signs.That was not a political decision forced by any executive councilor. That was a PP policy decision that ill befits a state contractor.
It’s worth noting that ten other Title Ten contracts were approved the same day PP’s was rejected – hardly the action of a council determined to deny health care to anyone. These contracts usually fly under the radar for most of us. It’s to their credit that these three councilors didn’t let that happen.
Now in 2014, Dave Wheeler is back. It’ll take more than a bunch of pink lawn signs to scare him off. I wonder if that’s true about the other candidates on the ballot.
Part 2 of 2. For part 1, with news of a planned “retroactive” grant of public funds to Planned Parenthood of Northern New England, click here.
Since part 1 of this post, New Hampshire’s budget has been passed by the House and Senate. The extra half-million dollars for family planning added by the governor on top of DHHS’s $344,000 request went through without a hitch.Regarding the extra $500,000, Councilor Colin Van Ostern said “it doesn’t seem like one of the hot spots and that’s good.” PPNNE for once kept a low profile as the budget was crafted. That will apparently pay off. PPNNE’s status as the principal provider of abortion in New Hampshire is not a problem as far as the current Governor and Council are concerned.
Recall that PPNNE’s Title X contract was rejected by the then-Executive Council in 2011, while contracts with ten other agencies were approved. Since then, PPNNE has been covering about 57% of Title X-eligible family planning clients with funds it has received directly from the federal government. Last week, with the Executive Council looking very different since the last election, the newest round of Title X contracts was approved. The proceedings of that meeting revealed that while PPNNE had no contract in the mix, they would be getting Title X money soon.
The ten more-or-less non-controversial Title X agencies are listed in this letter. Combined, these agencies serve the other 43% of Title X-eligible clients in the state.
At last week’s Executive Council meeting, described in part 1, Commissioner Nick Toumpas of the Department of Health and Human Services assured Councilor Chris Pappas (D-Manchester) that Planned Parenthood of Northern New England will be reintegrated into New Hampshire’s Title X program at some future date, with payments retroactive to July 1 of this year. The terms of the current financial arrangement between PPNNE and the federal government for family planning work were not entered into the public record at last week’s meeting; in Commissioner Toumpas’s words, “It’s not appropriate for me to know what they did.” The end date for that arrangement is thus unknown to me at this point. Will “retroactive” payments from the state overlap with payments from the federal government?
That was evidently not on the minds of the Executive Councilors last week. The audio recording of the meeting is here; I made the transcript used below. Comments in brackets are my own, and I have emphasized in bold print certain statements from the meeting.
Pappas praises “statewide approach”
Commissioner Toumpas correctly calls the current arrangement a “bifurcated” family planning program, with some agencies getting state-administered funds and one getting direct federal funds. He confirms that no one has gone without family planning services despite the 2011 “hiccup” in state-level funding (using Councilor Pappas’s word).
Pappas: Many of us want to see a statewide approach once again. I think it treats everyone fairly equally. I’m concerned with my area being underserved with contracts, and [I’m] just kind of wondering what’s coming up. … There’s no need to hold this thing up, you know, anticipation of those dollars. I do hope we get to the day once again where family planning money is treated on a statewide basis.
Toumpas: [These are] vital organizations for the delivery of these particular [family planning] services. It was a challenging, uh, time, uh, a couple of years ago as we went through that particular process [the rejection of the 2011 PPNNE contract], because of the people that are being served by this, we didn’t want to have any interruption in services. To the credit of Planned Parenthood, when the contract was not passed, they continued to provide those services. They didn’t have to do that but they did. And I’m very appreciative of the fact that they did that. But again we still have good working relationships with them and we’ve been working with them on a different benefit that’s going to go into place on July 1, a limited Medicaid benefit that is outside of anything that is called Medicaid expansion.
I recall that in the immediate aftermath of the 2011 vote, there was a graphic on a PP web site – I can’t remember if it was PPNNE or PP Action Fund – counting the number of people “denied” family planning services after the Executive Council’s action. Commissioner Toumpas seems to think no one was turned away. No one on the Council last week disputed his assertion that PPNNE “continued to provide those services” after the 2011 vote.
Councilor Van Ostern chimes in
Councilor Colin Van Ostern (D-Concord) was elected to his District 2 seat last November. He ran as an unapologetic supporter of Planned Parenthood, and benefited from a gerrymandered district with new boundaries drawn after the 2010 census. He sailed in with 58% of the vote, which was not hard for a Democrat to do, with Concord and Durham and Keene to work with.
He was careful at the June 19 meeting to confirm the numbers involved in Title X work in the state, although neither he nor Councilor Pappas asked any follow-up questions about the Medicaid arrangement with PPNNE to which Commissioner Toumpas referred. Van Ostern took time from running the numbers to take a swipe at his predecessor.
Van Ostern: …I probably would say it a little less politely than Councilor Pappas did, but I think the Council botched this two years ago, and frankly I’m frustrated that it’s gonna take us until 2016 to get back to a system that worked well I think for decades. Frankly, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the three Councilors who aren’t here with us now are the ones who voted to complicate it a couple of years ago….[unclear] make sure I understand [unclear], just because we had discussions about it yesterday. So your intention is that at some point in the future, a few months from now, we will have awarded all of the funds that are available from the state for family planning, and at that point, whatever that total bucket of dollars is [over $800,000 with the now-passed budget], that bucket will be equally distributed across the state based on number of patients?
Toumpas: It will reflect the intent of what the legislation is, how that, what that equivalent and proportional piece of it means. There’s, uh, there’s one part of it that says equivalent, which is sort of across the board for everybody, and then there’s the proportional that I think is based on the number of clients.
Van Ostern: Once the budget passes we can have a check-in on this.
Toumpas: …My sense is that we would move on that relatively quickly.
Neither Toumpas nor the Councilors clarified what legislation they were referring to when they talked about “equitable and proportionate” family planning funding.
Epilogue: factors affecting public funding of New Hampshire abortion providers
Elections matter. The June 19 Executive Council meeting showed clearly that there simply is no advocate in the executive branch for pro-life New Hampshire taxpayers who would like to be rid of an enforced investment in New Hampshire’s biggest abortion provider. On the legislative side, HB 228, an attempt to keep state funds away from abortion providers, was considered for 16 months until it died on the Senate table in April 2012. On the bright side, five of the six sponsors of the bill ran for re-election last year, and four of them won.
Appointments matter, too. Title X is handled for the most part by people appointed by the Governor and Council. Bureaucrats, in other words. They answer to the Council, not the voters.
Relationships matter. Developing constructive relationships and trust with policymakers takes time. When a rep hears information about abortion funding from someone she likes and trusts, she’ll listen.
Party affiliation is not very helpful in determining how someone will vote in a funding case. Democratic lawmakers and executive-branch officeholders in New Hampshire are nearly unanimous in their objections to cutting off state funds to abortion providers. That doesn’t mean Republicans can be counted on to support de-funding efforts. Republican Executive Councilors Ray Burton and Chris Sununu supported PPNNE’s contract bid in 2011 and again last week. With nearly 300 Republican House members at the time HB 228 was considered, only 207 voted to pass the bill. Once it got to the Senate, Republican Majority Leader Jeb Bradley made the successful tabling motion.
Years of allowing abortion providers to mix the words “health care” and “abortion” are bearing ugly fruit. When the senior policy director for PPNNE introduces herself before giving testimony in Concord, she doesn’t lead off with “we do more abortions than any other business in New Hampshire.” Instead, she calls her employer “a trusted health care provider.”
Mandatory collection of abortion statistics will force reconsideration of the distinction between abortion and health care. That’s one reason why abortion advocates fight stats bills and why New Hampshire doesn’t have a stats law. DHHS’s Division of Public Health knows what abortion providers choose to tell it, and that passes for “data.” Abortion advocacy is preventing the collection of public health information.
Do I think a de-funding bill can pass and work? Sure – under the right conditions, with the right relationships and allies, with the right information in the right hands, led by the right sponsors. Not an overnight project, but then neither was the partial-birth law or parental notification.
In the meantime, the Executive Council is in control.
Planned Parenthood of Northern New England may be in line for “retroactive” contract money via the state of New Hampshire, according to a public exchange among Executive Councilors Chris Pappas (D-Manchester) and Colin Van Ostern (D-Concord) and Department of Health and Human Services Commissioner Nick Toumpas during the June 19 meeting of the New Hampshire Executive Council.
The “retroactive” money, if paid, would apply to Title X family planning funds for 2014-2015 for the parts of the state covered by PPNNE, retroactive to July 1, 2013, according to the discussion at the meeting. If I understand the exchange between Pappas and Toumpas from the official recording of the meeting, this odd situation arises from the 2011 rejection of a PPNNE contract by the last Executive Council. (The Title X discussion begins about one hour into the recording and lasts 15 minutes. Note that the X is a Roman numeral, not a letter.)
Further, Commissioner Toumpas said in his public remarks that the state has been working with PPNNE “on a different benefit that’s going to go into place on July 1, a limited Medicaid benefit that is outside of anything that is called Medicaid expansion.”He offered no further information about that particular “benefit.”
The Council’s proceedings on June 19 illustrate the challenges facing New Hampshire residents who do not want their tax dollars going to abortion providers. Any legislative attempt to privatize Planned Parenthood, or any other abortion provider, will eventually have to be enforced by the executive branch of government.
I know Title X funds can’t be used directly for abortion. I also know that every Title X family planning dollar that goes to an abortion provider frees up other funds in the provider’s budget to keep abortions going. Therein lies the concern over Title X contracts.
Title X contracts approved by Council last week
At last week’s meeting, councilors unanimously approved a total of ten contracts with various family-planning providers for 2014-2015, mostly community clinics around the state. Under the Title X program, federal dollars are granted to states, which then administer the funds. PPNNE was conspicious by its absence from the list of contractors. During last week’s Council meeting, this missing contractor was discussed at length.The exchange between the Councilors and the Commissioner sounded to me like a planned effort to put things into the public record that were missing from the written material made public before the Council meeting. Why be mysterious at all? Let’s go back two years.
Flashback to 2011
In June 2011, eleven Title X contracts came up for Executive Council approval. Each proposed contractor was to be responsible for a specific part of the state. This was supposed to be a routine matter. One of the proposed contractors was PPNNE, which had handled Title X family planning contracts for years. By itself, it covered 57% of the state; the other ten contractors combined covered the other 43%. PPNNE was the sole surgical-abortion provider among the contractors, though, and that caught the eye of Councilor Dave Wheeler. Wheeler was (and still is) a firm believer in keeping public money away from abortion providers. Wheeler’s vote against the PPNNE contract was no surprise, and neither was the Nay from Councilor Ray Wieczorek. What was stunning was the Nay vote from Councilor Dan St. Hilaire, who didn’t have a high profile – or indeed, any profile – on the funding issue. Result: PPNNE lost the contract, garnering support from only two councilors that day (Republicans Ray Burton & Chris Sununu).
The stuff hit the fan. PPNNE, unaccustomed to being turned away, sidestepped state approval. The agency sought and received a direct grant for family planning from the federal government. Meanwhile, its PP Action arm went to work. Knowing that attacks on Wheeler and Wieczorek were pointless, PP’s allies went after St. Hilaire. Signs like “Dan St. Hilaire wants to take away your birth control” started popping up.
(I continue to be amazed at how determined some people are to keep women dependent on government handouts for birth control. How is that policy not creepy?)
St. Hilaire and Wieczorek chose not to run for re-election in 2012, and Wheeler was defeated by Debra Pignatelli (whom he had defeated in 2010). Result: all five current Councilors are PP supporters. Now, Councilor Pappas refers to the 2011 contract rejection as “a little bit of a hiccup.”
PPNNE & family planning in NH:, post-2011
So what happened to PPNNE’s clients whose services would have been paid for by Title X after July 1, 2011? In a word, nothing. Dollars given to PPNNE directly by the federal government replaced dollars administered by the state of New Hampshire under Title X. Commissioner Toumpas last week didn’t explain to Councilors the details of that particular arrangement, saying it would be “inappropriate” for him to know what those details were.
I obtained a copy of the Title X contract letter submitted by DHHS to the Council for approval last week. The ten entities approved for contracts cover the state, excluding “the geographic areas of Cheshire and Rockingham Counties, and the towns of Lebanon and Claremont.” That tells me that those “geographic areas” are PP territory, and I assume that PP is currently providing family planning to clients using the money it received directly from the federal government in lieu of a conventional Title X contract in 2011.
Toumpas: “It’s not appropriate for me to know what they did.”
Councilor Pappas and Commissioner Toumpas put some information about PPNNE’s 2011 “sidestep,” and its implication for future state funding, on the public record. I transcribed this conversation from the recording of last week’s meeting. I have used bold-face text to highlight certain statements. Remarks within brackets are my own.
Pappas: I’ve asked you offline about this as well. These are family planning funds, and obviously there was an issue a couple of years ago – a little bit of a hiccup – with funding and contracts for family planning. And I’m curious, these funds that are contained in these contracts [note: the ten Title X contracts for 2014-2015] don’t appear to represent or cover the whole state. I’m wondering how future contracts will be dealt with with the remainder of the money that’s available for family planning.
Toumpas: What happened a couple of years ago, we had brought forth eleven contracts that in total covered the entire state. We serve around 26,000 people through the family planning/Title X dollars. Planned Parenthood of Northern New England had roughly 57% of those numbers in some of the more populated areas of the state. And the other 43% of the people were served by the other ten agencies. When we [NH Department of Health and Human Services] brought forward a contract, … the Planned Parenthood contract was rejected. What we ended up doing was … going to the federal government; we relinquished the dollars and therefore the responsibility that the state had, and that responsibility is now borne by the federal government, Office of Population Health, working directly with an entity that they would contract with. It turns out that they contracted with, and appropriately I believe, Planned Parenthood of Northern New England. So essentially we created a bifurcated model for the state so that there isn’t any one entity in the state that has oversight over the entire [family planning] program. … Last year- the grant awards come up every two years – last year we approached Planned Parenthood and said we wanted to go with a statewide proposal again. We did that, we had that discussion, a good discussion with them, and it was determined that they were going to pursue the grant independently of us. We went after it statewide. It’s not appropriate for me to know what they did. But in the end, the federal government granted money to the state [for the approved contracts] and granted money to Planned Parenthood [in lieu of its rejected 2011 contract with the state].
Dollars and cents, “equitable and proportional”
How much state-level money for family planning is in the upcoming budget?
Governor Hassan asked for $894,000 per year in 2014 and 2015 – a more than half-million-dollars-per-year increase over fiscal year 2013. See page 1045 of the Governor’s budget proposal. The House and Senate had no argument, preoccupied as they were with other matters within the state budget. Compare this to the budget request from DHHS, which asked for $344,000 per year for 2014-2015; this was close to level-funded compared to 2013.
Why is there a half-million dollar discrepancy? Commissioner Toumpas told the Council, “…we knew that the Governor had put money in, an additional half a million … but not wanting to issue a contract based on an unknown, we went with a more conservative [budget request].” In other words, DHHS couldn’t be sure the legislature would approve a budget that more than doubled last year’s state expenditures for family planning programs.
By the time of the June 19 Council meeting, all parties were confident that the extra half-million dollars would indeed be appropriated.
Toumpas: …as it’s progressed through the budget language right now, the roughly $850,000, it is our understanding the intent of the legislature and the governor’s office that those dollars would get distributed, I believe the words are ‘equitably and proportionately.’ So the contracts you have here right now [from the ten area agencies] don’t reflect that at a statewide level. What we will do, assuming the budget that is being discussed across the street survives for at least this appropriation, what we will do is then we will, going within the next couple of months, we will then make an adjustment and be able to direct the dollars, the appropriate dollars, into that region that is covered by Planned Parenthood of Northern New England. I believe we have adequate dollars within the contracts we have before you today so we won’t need to do any adjustments there. …I know the issue has been raised that dollars aren’t being directed to Planned Parenthood right now but again my commitment is that I would make that adjustment in a subsequent contract and that we will be going forward.
Pappas: So you haven’t actually determined the formula for distributing those dollars yet.
Toumpas: We have not. …It’s a formula that goes into it, and I don’t profess to know that off the top of my head.
Pappas: But you’ve taken into consideration, or you will, the footnote that will likely … [Toumpas interrupts]
Toumpas: Absolutely. The footnote will be the law that will guide what it is that we are doing. My understanding of what is the intent of the Governor’s office and the intent of the legislature are very clear.…The other question I believe that a couple of the Councilors have asked me is when we will have an opportunity to basically have a unified statewide program again. Because the grants are done every two years, our next opportunity will be calendar year 16. And so in calendar 2015, we will then go and submit our request for the funding that will cover a statewide level and that will be our next opportunity to basically bring it under one unified program.
Pappas: And so future dollars that will be contracted out will be retroactive to July 1, …in terms of dollars that will come as part of the budget once it’s approved in the next fiscal year.
Toumpas: Ah, for 14, that would be retroactive for the Planned Parenthood part of the state.
Coming in part 2: Councilor Van Ostern joins the discussion; “I think the Council botched this two years ago.”
(An earlier version of this post contained an erroneous date for House and Senate action on the state budget.)